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  • Mini JCW Vs DS3R - Blood Brothers

    Piston Heads feature


    Featuring a DS3club members car

    Preview was here


    Same engines, very different philosophies but which wins this fraternal fight?



    n-house tuners - where would we be without them. The appealing allure of a bespoke enhanced performance package combined with the warm reassurance of manufacturer warranty means you really can have your tuning cake, and drive it. And plenty do. In fact over the last 15 years the motoring landscape has witnessed an explosion of halo-effect manufacturer-tuned models, from VXR to AMG, M Sport to RS, Mugen to NISMO. And one of the most esteemed - in Britain at least - has to be John Cooper Works - now a fully-fledged part of the BMW empire, but originally very much a family firm responsible for the hallowed 1960's Mini Cooper and Cooper S. And latterly of course the 2008-on R56 factory-built Mini John Cooper Works.

    On the other side of the channel they do things a little differently, but they still lust after exclusive tuned examples of more rudimentary fare - even if these models don't sell in quite the same numbers as they do over here. And Citroen, having seen what rival Renault has achieved with its RenaultSport models, decided to get in on the act too - with its recent limited edition DS3 Racing. Sharing not just the same format as the Mini JCW, but an engine in common too these hot hatches go head-to-head in terms of performance and price.



    Family tree
    The 211hp Mini John Cooper Works hatch was the first of this pair to hit UK streets though. Launched in 2008 it was in-part a development of the 192hp JCW tuning kit, which had been available to Mini Cooper S buyers from 2007. But with its own MF91 model code the JCW laid claim to being a distinct vehicle and boasted amongst other goodies a larger twin-scroll turbocharger, common-rail injection, re-engineered brakes, modified suspension and a strengthened transmission. Developed specifically for the Mini Challenge race car, the Hams Hall engine also claimed modified induction, plus a custom built sports exhaust with stainless twin tailpipes. Despite that power hike the JCW still beat 40mpg on the combined cycle, all but justifying the exclusive £20,550 price tag.

    Dynamic Traction Control allowed enthusiastic drivers to make the most of the car's electronic limited-slip differential, enhancing front-end grip and cornering potential, whilst dedicated buyers could also opt for a JCW suspension which lowered the entire car by 10mm. Add in larger vented brake discs with red Brembo four-pot brake calipers, the obligatory sports button, exclusive 17-inch alloys and plenty of John Cooper Works logos, and Mini had a guaranteed recipe for success. So much so that it has sold 2,540 of the current generation Mini John Cooper Works hatch in the UK.



    Citroen's DS3 Racing could also be considered a development of an existing model (the DSport THP 150) but just as with the JCW it can also claim to be a unique product in its own right. Launched at the 2010 Geneva show and delivered to UK owners from February 2011, just 200 (out of a worldwide production run of 2,000 cars) were made for the UK - a more exclusive product than the JCW then. There were only two colour options - white and grey, or the black and orange of our photoshoot car. Not for the shy or retiring, the stickers were optional.

    Based on the DSport THP 150, the DS3 Racing possesses a 20mm wider track, a revised suspension system which lowers the car by 15mm, one-off 18-inch alloys, uprated four-piston Brembo brakes, a unique electronic stability system and - perhaps best of all - lashings of proper carbon fibre. Priced at a hefty £23,100 the 207hp Racing's performance stats matched the JCW almost exactly, with a tad better fuel economy. A similar overall package then - but a seriously steep price tag for a small Citroen.



    Brothers in arms

    So what do these two tailor-made hot-hatch cousins share in common? Always a thorny question and one the manufacturers would probably rather we didn't ask. But there's no disputing the common engine. The impressive compact four-cylinder 1.6-litre turbocharged unit is one of many co-developed by BMW and Peugeot Citroen from 2004 onwards, and although both companies add their own finishing touches the results are near-identical.

    In the case of the DS3 Racing the base engine was taken to Citroen's DS3 Poissy factory in France where the rest of the car was assembled, under the guidance of Citroen Racing - the group responsible for the highly-successful WRC car. Meanwhile the JCW, like all Mini hatch models, is manufactured at the Mini Plant in Oxford and features many components developed originally from the Cooper S. Different to look these two family rivals may be, but with common DNA at their heart and very similar layouts it's not surprising that they feel related.


    Family feud
    But once you slip behind the wheel those seemingly small differences are magnified. It's all too easy to criticise Mini these days - there are just so many models around, and not all make great driving machines. But the JCW hatch is truly brilliant. Not because it's great value for money, or because looks mega cool, or indeed because it was breathed on by a famous tuning company but because it makes you feel like a brilliant driver. It's one of those rare cars where all you have to do to have fun is jump in, and floor the loud pedal. The engine revs freely, the driving position is A1, the front wheels do jump around in all directions but the electronic diff keeps you safe, the steering is always predictable and the braking easily up to the job. In short, it flatters you.

    And that - despite Citroen's very best efforts - is something the DS3 Racing doesn't do, at least not straight away. Yes, the cabin looks fresher, the seats are more supportive, the performance is there (although the gear ratios are disappointingly longer) and the exhaust sounds just as exciting, but the lack of any kind of front LSD combined with a more supple suspension steals the DS3 Racing's mojo. Living with it for longer you do get used to things and can wring more out of the Citroen, but you still have to grip DS3 R by the scruff of the neck to get the best out of it - whereas the JCW Mini is up and at 'em the moment the start button is pressed.



    The limited-edition Citroen will undoubtedly turn more heads though (question - why would anyone buy the alternative grey-white version?) and with that eccentric styling, oodles of carbon fibre and an engine stamped 'Citroen Racing World Rally Champion' it's a truly appealing comic-book character. It feels surprisingly solidly-built too.

    And if you fancy enhancing your DS3 R then aftermarket tuners can readily raise output to 240hp with enhanced induction and exhaust, up-rated plugs and a remap - but an oil catch can and a bigger intercooler is considered almost essential to minimise the risk of engine damage. You could do something very similar to a JCW Hatch too, although few owners have bothered thus far, and the overall running costs for these two run neck and neck with both easily capable of 40mpg-plus. So the final decision could simply come down to price, with neither contender offering exceptional value for money.

    The cheapest DS3 Racings are currently a couple of grand dearer than the earliest JCW hatches, but with so few around long-term residuals are likely to be stronger. We reckon the majority of PHers would rather have the Mini though.

    However a far bigger question remains - does buying an in-house tuned hot-hatch really make any sense? On the strength of these two definitely - but only if you buy one secondhand.


    CITROEN DS3 RACING
    Engine: 1,598cc 4-cyl turbo
    Power (hp): 207@6,000rpm
    Torque (lb ft): 203@2,000-4,500rpm
    Transmission: 6-speed manual
    Kerb weight: 1,165kg
    Top Speed: 146mph
    0-62mph: 6.5secs
    MPG (NEDC combined): 44.1
    CO2: 149g/km
    Price: £14,995 to £19,995
    Manufactured: 2011-12
    Love it: There's just nothing else like it on the road
    Loathe it: Why didn't they fit some of trick front diff?


    MINI JCW (2012 model)
    Engine: 1,598cc 4-cyl turbo
    Power (hp): 211@6,000rpm
    Torque (lb ft): 206@1,820-5,600rpm
    Transmission: 6-speed manual/auto
    Kerb weight: 1,215kg (auto 1,235kg)
    Top Speed: 148mph (auto 147mph)
    0-62mph: 6.5secs (auto 6.7secs)
    MPG (NEDC combined): 42.8 (auto 39.8mpg)
    CO2: 153g/km (auto 165g/km)
    Price: £11,995 to £28,465
    Manufactured: 2008-on (auto 2012-on)
    Love it: Makes even the most ham-fisted driver appear good
    Loathe it: It's just another Mini isn't it?


    Source: Here
    My DS3R3... nearly....
    New? Click HERE for some useful threads.

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    Hi nice one they said it would be about 2 weeks on pistonheads so it's Great it's on there now .
    DS3 RACING | SUPERCHIPPED 233bhp/321nm | ITG INDUCTION

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    • #3
      I'm on the pulse with DS3 things

      Car looks awesome!
      My DS3R3... nearly....
      New? Click HERE for some useful threads.

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      • #4
        I think so too many thanks
        DS3 RACING | SUPERCHIPPED 233bhp/321nm | ITG INDUCTION

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        • #5
          Nice one
          Still love the DS3R the most!!
          Think they're right in what they say "It's just another Mini isn't it?"


          But engines are not (completely) the same.
          The mini is using the N18 engine, and the DS3R is using the older N14 engine.
          Nothing special but there are some slight differences, like:
          - PCV outlet system is completely different
          - Mini is using BMW's VANOS on the inlet- and outlet valves (DS3R) only on the inlet
          DS3 THP Sport Chic Blanc Banquise / Noir Onyx - Forge Pipe Kit - Forge Induction Kit - Forge Recirculating Valve - Custom Intercooler - H&R 25mm

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          • #6
            DS3 Racing wins hands down Adrian
            Nice one for keeping the Clubs end up!

            Cracking! Much better looking
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            • #7
              At last, very good feature DS3r.

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              • #8
                I much prefer the racing, mini's just look chunky and ugly to me. Yours looks amazing ds3r
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                • #9
                  Hi cheers
                  DS3 RACING | SUPERCHIPPED 233bhp/321nm | ITG INDUCTION

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                  • #10
                    Maybe i should start my own replica report lol



                    http://www.ds3club.co.uk/attachment....4&d=1420569803
                    :rolleyes: Too Good For Heaven & Too Bad For Hell :mad:

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