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[Czar]

OK Czar- so when can you supply a downpipe with 200 cell Milltek sportscat
Wheres your shop then?
CBLUE

As soon as Milltek let me know they are available (I will ask today) if there is a firm release date, my work and product components are generally not available to the retail sector, I specialise in contractual confidential projects, that said, I do from time to time get asked, if I wouldn't mind supplying (like in this case) and so i am prepared to supply only, if you or anyone is interested.

[Chris_Blue]

Youre a little gem Czar
CBLUE

[Czar]

Youre a little gem Czar
CBLUE

Thank you, guys the release of the Milltek high flow sports downpipe with a 200 CEL will not be available until the end of November (official) the prototypes are in trial testing, so this will give you time to save and treat yourself for Christmas, estimated prices will be around £450.00

[Chris_Blue]

Thank you, guys the release of the Milltek high flow sports downpipe with a 200 CEL will not be available until the end of November (official) the prototypes are in trial testing, so this will give you time to save and treat yourself for Christmas, estimated prices will be around £450.00

Great stuff- I'll have one
They wanna stick a prototype on mine? Already got a 63mm Cat Back?
CBLUE

[Czar]

Great stuff- I'll have one
They wanna stick a prototype on mine? Already got a 63mm Cat Back?
CBLUE

If you are serious in wanting a Milltek high flow sports cat 200 CEL downpipe, then I will order one for stock, however if you are serious I'm sure you wouldn't mind securing your order with a small deposit ? As I don't want to order one, and have it sitting on my shelves forever and a day!

Maybe if the moderators can arrange it, we could have a group buy ? This will allow me to offer a discount!

Sadly the testing is taking place outside the UK.

[Chris_Blue]

Fair comment Czar- Hangar 111 is also due to come up with something shortly so would wanna Hang fire (Thats a pun)
Will wait see when it comes out to ascertain precise specifications
BTW- I'm deadly serious!
CBLUE

[Fabian]

If you are serious in wanting a Milltek high flow sports cat 200 CEL downpipe, then I will order one for stock, however if you are serious I'm sure you wouldn't mind securing your order with a small deposit ? As I don't want to order one, and have it sitting on my shelves forever and a day!

Maybe if the moderators can arrange it, we could have a group buy ? This will allow me to offer a discount!

Sadly the testing is taking place outside the UK.

I'm also in for a Groupbuy and very interested in the Milltek Downpipe with 200cell Cat :cool:
Think this will be an good Christmasday present for myself

Also £450.00 is a really good deal for such a good product!!

[Chris_Blue]

A catalytic converter can be installed anywhere in the exhaust system, however, for a catalytic converter to be functional and comply for emission legislation, it needs to light off, this ("light off") is the operational temperature, and that is approximately 350°c >

Hence the reason that catalytic converters are installed either in the exhaust downpipe or as close to the front of the vehicle as is possible, sometimes a combination of both locations is necessary in tight smog controlled countries (America etc etc)

These locations are perfect for "light off" and optimum emission control, that said, these locations are far from ideal when looking for performance, albeit all the performance offerings simply keep the stock locations and reduce the CEL (cells per inch 200, 100 etc) or a complete decat with no catalytic converter in the exhaust system whatsoever,
with the added benefit of full flow optimum exhaust systems, installing the restriction "catalytic converter" as far back as possible.

will be very difficult to get a catalytic converter to "light off" for emission legislation if the installed position is to far backward in the exhaust system of a road going vehicle, you will need to measure (spot temp gun) your exhaust system at different RPM to determine the best installation location possible.

Continuing the debate- whilst the Cat is best for "light off" closer to the engine for the temperature, its better further away from the engine for less turbo back pressure?
Thats why you say use a temperature probe to get the exact location- what? at normal engine idle, at normal engine temp, say after 10 mins? Or running temperature at the 2-2500 revs the MOT would apply the test?

Then when youve ascertained that- thats where you can cut the Cat too?

Doubt I would do all this if the Milltek or Hangar 111 Cat comes out. But its good to understand
CBLUE

[Czar]

Continuing the debate- (Discussion) whilst the Cat is best for "light off" closer to the engine for the temperature, its better further away from the engine for less turbo back pressure? This is correct, however, choosing the correct catalytic converter in the first place, (they are NOT all the same!) is crucial, dependant on installation location, and the fuel management map.

Thats why you say use a temperature probe to get the exact location- what? Yes. at normal engine idle, No. at normal engine temp, Yes. say after 10 mins? Or running temperature at the 2-2500 revs the MOT would apply the test? Using the RPM range of 2,500 – 3,500 will give the best indication, for installation location, as this is generally the most used sector of the entire RPM band when under normal driving conditions!

Then when youve ascertained that- thats where you can cut the Cat too? Yes.

Doubt I would do all this if the Milltek or Hangar 111 Cat comes out. But its good to understand
CBLUE

I doubt very much that other "performance specialists" will have the facility or will do the necessary R&D to select the correct catalytic converter to work with the specific DS3 THP fuel management maps (varying), whilst ensuring the best flow and the best chances to pass the current (2012) MOT emissions from utilising a 200 CEL unit, Milltek do all this necessary R&D to ensure complete customer satisfaction, hence the overall cost of the Milltek products, in comparison to other aftermarket "performance specialists" that do not have R&D facilities or the necessary time, money and knowledge based expertise.

[Chris_Blue]

Cheers Czar- as ever in depth
Milltek shoots to the front then
CBLUE

[Fabian]

Yes, Milltek is for me still the no. 1 for the downpipe!
Before I knew that Milltek was coming with the Downpipe I had Akrapovic on my list.
But the Akra downpipe is not specially designed for the DS3, but for the Mini Cooper S and has an 100cell Sportcat.

What do you think about Akrapovic Czar?!
Link: http://www.akrapovic.com/en/Automoti...splayName=MINI

[Czar]

Yes, Milltek is for me still the no. 1 for the downpipe!
Before I knew that Milltek was coming with the Downpipe I had Akrapovic on my list.
But the Akra downpipe is not specially designed for the DS3, but for the Mini Cooper S and has an 100cell Sportcat.

What do you think about Akrapovic Czar?!
Link: http://www.akrapovic.com/en/Automoti...splayName=MINI

As already briefly mentioned, the catalytic converter (catalyst) must match the specific fuel management map of the chosen specific vehicle, and although the downpipe has the same turbo mounting flange point, radi bends and outlet finishing position, as shared between BMW MINI, Citroen and Peugeot, and will fit, the catalyst is different for each specific vehicle manufacturer, this is all down to each specific fuelling map within the ECU for each specific manufacturers vehicle, ile explain more on the fuelling complexity, if necessary, that said you will need to pay attention, as it is very complex indeed.

[Chris_Blue]

"Specific fuelling map within the ECU"
Does that mean if a vehicle has been remapped, then the OEM Cat , or new Cat, wouldnt align to the new ECU settings?
Or have i misinterpreted the last post
CBLUE

[Jamie@SPTuning]

There are literally hundreds of maps for fuelling in these ecu's. There are even maps that will take into account your catalyst and sensor deterioration.
Don't worry about it, your Milltek should be manufactured to run with your current fuelling and cat warming maps.



www.SPTuning.co.uk

[ds3r]

hi next thursday is the day sports cat is going on at hangar 111 test befor & after on rolling road. info & photos on friday. cant wait