EU Referendum

[Jan79]

But the fundamental principle of Unity, is a wise one.

This is absolutely correct.

The question which bothers me is what else could happen to open their eyes? Discussions are going on for years now but there isn't even the least sign of a change.

[Jan79]

The founding principles for the EU was to promote peace and stability after WW2 as the League of Nations failed whilst promoting cooperation of free markets by reducing trading tariffs to promote sustainable development whilst protection social (equality, human rights etc) economic and political aspects of member countries through draconian legislation enforced through the CJEU.

But article I-3 also says an area with freedom, safety and law and without internal frontiers.

And also promoting economic, social and territorial cohesion and solidarity between the members. This is completly lost at the moment.

[Chris_Blue]

This is absolutely correct.

The question which bothers me is what else could happen to open their eyes? Discussions are going on for years now but there isn't even the least sign of a change.

Agreed- if the UK leave that will be quite a shock and may help change

But then it changes and the UK is not in....!

[Chris_Blue]

The founding principles for the EU was to promote peace and stability after WW2 as the League of Nations failed whilst promoting cooperation of free markets

Agreed. And it worked. Still does to a certain extent
But Institutions (As the EC is) must move with times and attitudes, and EU struggles with that

[Broda]

But article I-3 also says an area with freedom, safety and law and without internal frontiers.

I don't interpret that as free movement between member states Instead as asylum.

However if you do then I think the concept is outdated ;as the EU isn't a flexible institution, due to the large increase of eastern block countries & size increase of the EUs member states.

For instance potential Turkey... A straight path for Syrians, Iranians & Iraqis. Now there's a worry

[Chris_Blue]

On free movement: If we get out of Europe, then the agreement between us and the French policing the channel border Ports will end.

Then, many migrants will just set foot on UK soil, as their ability to board ferrys and trains will not be challenged, and claim asylum.

We may well end up with many, many more migrants than we get at the moment

[Broda]

No!

You turn them around give them supplies and send them back. Once they realise you have a 0 tolerance policy they will stop traveling dangerously. This is what Australia has been doing and they have had very few problems since.

Policing the borders will have to be a priority.

[Chris_Blue]

No!

You turn them around give them supplies and send them back. Once they realise you have a 0 tolerance policy they will stop traveling dangerously. This is what Australia has been doing and they have had very few problems since.

Policing the borders will have to be a priority.

Can a civilised nation do this. If they are refugees from wartorn areas can we really turn them back.

Economic migrants would be a different situation... but we do need migrant workers to do the jobs that Brits wont

[Jan79]

This threat by the french is a bad move. You shouldn't do such things because it just provokes a reaction as Broda wrote.
Unfortunately I'm quite sure policing the borders won't work. They will find other illegal ways to come to britain.
Australia has only a few areas where it is near to other countrys. so this policy works.
Here in a quite populated europe with a dense sea traffic I'm sure this won't work.

[Broda]

Can a civilised nation do this. If they are refugees from wartorn areas can we really turn them back.

Economic migrants would be a different situation... but we do need migrant workers to do the jobs that Brits wont

Of course we can, Australia have been doing it publicly. Once we have control of our borders this will be easy to enforce.

Migrant workers. Many people don't seem to understand how immigration will be handled outside the EU. We will have a points based system similarly to Australia and a Visa system similarly to the US.

We have a shortage of bin men? Points are weighted in favour of bin men. People become simple supply and demand. We only let in what we need, have less dross & people are vetted properly so that criminal convictions or criminal trials / suspicions stop people from getting a visa. Any misbehaviour by people without permenant residency leads to exportation. Tighter controls on who comes in & people only come in to benefit the country.

All of this is how other countries work right now. These are two tried and tested models being integrated and merged together.

[Broda]

This threat by the french is a bad move. You shouldn't do such things because it just provokes a reaction as Broda wrote.
Unfortunately I'm quite sure policing the borders won't work. They will find other illegal ways to come to britain.
Australia has only a few areas where it is near to other countrys. so this policy works.
Here in a quite populated europe with a dense sea traffic I'm sure this won't work.

Illegal immigrants will be deported. Pretty simple.

I agree a few will always slip through however it's much better than 300,000 immigrants per annum. Also these figures on immigration are notoriously incorrect. So how do we know how accurate this one is...

[Broda]

When Cameron said that the Economy would see negative growth he worked that out using projected figures of growth. They predicted that we would see a 10% growth in the economy however if we leave then we would see a 10% reduction in our economy... So the economy will be the same as it is...

How many times have hey been wrong about the economic growth statistics. Absolute baloney

The other one that makes me laugh is if we leave we will be in a recession. We still are... In fact we have seen negative growth :confused:

[JEZDS3]

Although many accept the NHS is broken and Leave/Stay in the EU is the bigger picture we are focussing on,isn`t it now time we really looked after our Island properly and became a Patriotic,Proud Nation again?(Like France)

[TomTom]

I've not read any of the comments. But anyone who bangs on about immigration shouldn't be allowed to vote. So much more to this than immigration.

[JEZDS3]

I've not read any of the comments. But anyone who bangs on about immigration shouldn't be allowed to vote. So much more to this than immigration.

My comment was merely an observation for Britain to be Great again and be a Proud,Strong Nation.