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  • Wheel dimensions/ offset/ PCD/ Spigots etc

    Having trawled a few threads I cant see one specifically to do with Bellone wheel dimensions, and what aftermarket wheel dimensions you should look for, that can fit satisfactorily.

    Im referring particularly to the 17" Bellones on my THP 155 Dsport, but feel free to add details or query issues surrounding the wheels on your DS3 model, as they are not all the same. Some are smaller. Some are bigger.

    My OEM Bellone wheel is 17" 7J rim, although when I measured it, it was 8" wide unless I allowed too much for the tyre. The exisiting tyre are the Potenzas which are 205/45/17. The PCD is 4 times 108, which is basically to do with the number and spacings of the wheel bolt positions i think.

    The offset which Ive never really understood completely, but means if it aint right the wheel wont fit, are both negative and positive offsets. The Bellone (Info got from this site) is either 25, or 27. Its to do with how far in/out the wheel sits on the hub. If to far out it could rub onto parts, speacially at the front and also wrong offset can not only effect the dynamics/ steering and suspension of the car, but too far out can invalidate car insurance, if more than 10mm out each wheel.. (Always tell your insurance)

    I have bought some used aftermarkets and bought them from someone who fitted them to a DS3 and theyre great. Was told they were 25 offset. (Will measure them up soon). When I went to get them balanced was told there were no spigots. These are basically big washer type things which are seated butween the wheel centre hole, and the hub. If the wheel doesnt fit exactly these spigots centre the wheel and take the gap up, You wont need them for wheels appropriate to your model. (65.1mm for DS3 Hub but check) and if you dont have them the weight of the car is on the bolts, and not the hub where it should be

    So, when I went to look at another used set recently, I tried to calculate the offset myself. Bellone measured 8" wide rim to rim, wheel backspace was 5 and 3quarters of inch (May be wrong) which works out as offset of 32, according to the chart on the web! That dont seem to go to common consensus on this site of either 25 or 27 offset

    The aftermarkets I bought work out at 25 offset ( 8" wide rims, 5 and half inch back space) and PCD is the same as the Bellone. (So they should fit)

    Feel free to contribute, as its helpful to know what size wheels anyone can fit to the range of the DS3 . Ive also got 40 profile tyres rather than 45 OEM Bellone tyres, which is the distance between the rim of the tyre and the road surface.

    Any helpful contributions/ observations appreciated.

    Probably got a lot of this mixed up, so try not slate too much. We are all trying to learn.
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    What exactly do you need help with Chris ? I'm a wheel geek so if anyone looks at this in confusion give me a PM

    I'm sure the Bellones are 17x7 but they could be 17x7.5. They're definitely not 8J's.

    You can fit any offset wheel to a DS3 - offset will only determine how far the wheel sits in or pokes out of the wheel arch.

    Some wheel sizes I've fitted to my DS3:-

    Stock- Asheras: 16x6 / offset: 25 / PCD: 4x108 / CB: 65.1

    Borbet A's: 16x9 + 16x10 / Offset:15 / PCD: 4x108 / CB: 62 - had to get these bored out.

    OZ Track: 18x7.5 + 18x8 / Offset 40 ( 15mm spaced ) / PCD: 4x100 - 15mm hub centric adapters.

    Ferrari Reps: 18x8 / Offset: 28 / PCD: 4x108 / CB: 73 ( Used spigots ).

    Current- Calibre Vintage: 18x8 / Offset: 45 / PCD: 4x108 / CB: 65.1.

    I'm sure there's another set I've forgotten too lol
    Last edited by ZACK; 27-04-2013, 16:06.

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    • #3
      Cheers Zack- Thing is, when your told to measure the width, spose to do it from rim edge to rim edge. Swear it measures 8 inches but there is a bit of a lip either side? Makes it 8 inch in my book- not 7 or 7andhalf. Will go check again
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      • #4
        they should be on the wheel
        have sold the racing but ive still got the ultra prestige

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Chris_Bleu View Post
          Cheers Zack- Thing is, when your told to measure the width, spose to do it from rim edge to rim edge. Swear it measures 8 inches but there is a bit of a lip either side? Makes it 8 inch in my book- not 7 or 7andhalf. Will go check again
          You don't include the lips mate,



          As Guardian says it's usually on the inside of the wheel

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          • #6
            Ah right- still cant get much below 8 even forgetting the lip on the rear side (Obviousy flat on the front my error) - mebes 7and half inch
            Will get someone else to have a go at the meet tomos

            Funny enough- if I subtract the lip off when I measure the backspace and still use 8 inch width- it makes it a 25 offset!
            Last edited by Chris_Blue; 27-04-2013, 16:22.
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            • #7
              As guardian said all the info is stamped on the wheel and that's with all wheels, look on the inside. Bellones 17 x 7 et 25. If you have a set of wheels that are missing the spigots you can buy them just do a search. Or your tire place could order them for you. Do not bother trying to measure just get the info off the wheels themselves or the manufactures web site. If you didn't get that link I posted earlier that tells you how a wheel will sit on the car from plugging in the width and offset hear it is again http://www.1010tires.com/Tools/Wheel-Offset-Calculator
              Originally posted by cyclone
              It is in the handbook. Satisfied.
              Originally posted by Broda
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              • #8
                Oh if anyone's interested I'm thinking of selling my wheels !

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                • #9
                  Can see the stamp on the inside of the Bellone now- 17 7j et25
                  The other wheels say 17 7j with an O38 stamped elsewhere so spose thats the offset
                  Only found 10mm difference in backspace between the 2 wheels, but thats probably the lip, and my measuring technique. Us lads never good at measuring correct eh? LOL

                  So- thanks peeps. Learning all the time

                  Will use Cycs calculator and if they no good- back on ebay. Bought them for a song anyways
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                  • #10
                    Looks like you would want to use a spacer to push those new wheels out if really liked them Chris.
                    Originally posted by cyclone
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                    • #11
                      Yep- by 13mm so your calculator says- gotta go have a look for them spacers- spose you need longer bolts then too
                      Might just sell them (Team Dynamics black) on ebay and get another set. Not sure. Looking for Black spoked
                      Not sure if 12 spoke or more spokes is what I want
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                      • #12
                        Want mine Chris ?

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                        • #13
                          I"ll buy them if you deliver!
                          Originally posted by cyclone
                          It is in the handbook. Satisfied.
                          Originally posted by Broda
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                          • #14
                            Zack et al- the Team Dynamics I have are an offset 38 and need spacers obviously, if keep them
                            Cycles calculator suggests a 13mm spacer- can you get 13mm- or should I do 10mm and swallow the difference
                            Or space to 15mm with a 2mm excess

                            Also, these hubcentric things. Would i need hubcentric spacers or would spigots do?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Chris_Bleu View Post
                              Zack et al- the Team Dynamics I have are an offset 38 and need spacers obviously, if keep them
                              Cycles calculator suggests a 13mm spacer- can you get 13mm- or should I do 10mm and swallow the difference
                              Or space to 15mm with a 2mm excess
                              I'd space to 15mm, not only to be on the safe side but it'll give you 10mm overall wider track than if you went with 10mm so better in corners and will look better, Only 5mm on each side but every little helps !

                              Could even go for 20mm if you wanted to ?

                              Originally posted by Chris_Bleu View Post
                              Also, these hubcentric things. Would i need hubcentric spacers or would spigots do?
                              You shouldn't really internally spigot a spacer (even though some universal ones let you), realistically you got two options:-

                              1) Get a Citroen / Peugeot 15mm or 20mm hubcentric spacer ( inner Centre Bore of 65.1 with an outer CB of 65.1 ) like below:-

                              http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-Ci...item5d3d04d23b

                              With that you'll have to find out the CB of the alloy and then get spigot rings to suit e.g 73.6 - 65.1 reducing spigots.

                              2) Or try to find the CB of the alloys you've got and get an adaptive hubcentric spacer that goes from your DS3's 65.1 - whatever the alloys CB is ( E.g 73.6 ).

                              Hope this helps !
                              Last edited by ZACK; 29-04-2013, 07:26.

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