Brakes Upgrade

[Chris_Blue]

Its whether that research is worth double the cost. Will decide that closer to the time. Im a good maybe on it

[cyclone]

That's the question isn't it. Also lot of no name stuff is actually made by big name companies just a different logo on the box.

[Aidan@Partsworld-uk.com]

Unless you just convert them to the R3 spec..

[Chris_Blue]

Ah but (I know youre gonna say Im a loo bot etc etc) the big companies might make the stuff, but it isn't the same spec, or as good

EG - Kellogs make Kellogs Cornflakes, which are great, and they also make supermarket branded cornflakes, but they are light in colour, less crunchy and nowhere near as good. So they must work on a budget for manufacturing for a third party, and its in their own interests not to make it as good.

[lfcrule1972]

Only Kelloggs don't make cereals for anyone else Chris

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...amp-fakes.html

[Superfly Guy]

The 'brand name' debate will rage on across every conceivable platform until the end of time, however the internet has had a profound impact on reputation and the rate at which both good and bad reports can spread.

It used to be that whenever we bought anything, our view on it was spread via the pub, school playground or a letter to a magazine. Now though a review can reach a global audience almost instantly. Such reviews can have such an impact on sales that an industry has grown in falsifying both positive and negative feedback (Amazon and Play have been stung by various Govt bodies for being involved in this). The upside for us the consumer is that if a product is under/over performing then we get to know pretty sharpish.

Many people confuse price and value for money, the two are completely different. A remap is by no means cheap, however for what it delivers it is extremely good value if a significant increase in power is what you are after.

[Superfly Guy]

Only Kelloggs don't make cereals for anyone else Chris

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...amp-fakes.html

Its the Daily Mail, therefore we can safely put that story down as complete bollox.

[Chris_Blue]

Only Kelloggs don't make cereals for anyone else Chris

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...amp-fakes.html

You get my point tho? (And they used too)

Quite agree SFG LOL

[DaveB]

So they must work on a budget for manufacturing for a third party, and its in their own interests not to make it as good.

That's not the way it works. An aftermarket supplier will use an existing formulation which in many cases will be better than OE spec, as the OE material will be chosen on several criteria, cost & country of origin sometimes overriding performance considerations.

Aftermarket products are often manufactured by the big names ("own-branding" as it's known in the industry) & can be cheaper. . . the secret lies in knowing which!

[Chris_Blue]

^ ^ ^ A bit self defeating though. If the Brands after market products are as good/ better than its own, then its primary products' sales would suffer?

[Superfly Guy]

^ ^ ^ A bit self defeating though. If the Brands after market products are as good/ better than its own, then its primary products' sales would suffer?

Not always, look at something like Tesco value range (ask any northerner), chances are they taste the same as the brand item, maybe even produced in the same factory but who wants to be seen going through the checkout with a blue and white stripy box, might as well wear a badge that says "Poorer than my neighbours".

Another example (from something I know about) being PC components.
A certain model of Graphics card can cost between £500 and £600 depending on the manufacturer, except that all use exactly the same central hardware. Some may have better cooling or run slightly faster (something the end user can do in seconds and for free, think a free Map for your car) but ultimately the same engine under the bonnet. However the after sales service can be massively different, as a point I buy the cheapest card with a UK based 36 month warranty, not interested in superior stock cooling as I water-cool my PCs anyway, I digress, so sometimes there is more than just the component that needs to be taken into consideration.

[DaveB]

^ ^ ^ A bit self defeating though. If the Brands after market products are as good/ better than its own, then its primary products' sales would suffer?

I meant aftermarket as in non-OE manufacturer. Normally the OE manufacturer's replacement parts will be to the same specification as the OE part for current models; later in the vehicle's life the OE formulation may be no longer in production, so a newer material will be substituted.

The OE manufacturer may well have a "better" pad available for a given vehicle, usually for high-performance applications - such pads may not be road-legal as they do not conform to ECE R90, which demands that the friction characteristics of replacement friction materials match those of the original fitment, although R90 allows a tolerance of ±15%, which gives some leeway.

[Chris_Blue]

Not converted yet, but can see where you coming from

[Superfly Guy]

All that counts are results, if people feel the end result and product support justifies the expense then its value for money irrespective of how much it cost in the first place.

If people want to drink Fosters or Carling and they say they enjoy it then fine, but we all know they wish they could afford Amstel

[Chris_Blue]

Ha^ Warsteiner